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deficit reduction plan how to get it back on track. they are proposing the plan that is a democrat version of the -- democrat counterpart to simpson. very smart. this offer was serious. the white house even though they put out a statement saying blah, blah, not good enough. call it a republican letter -- >> eric: this is the republican letter does not meet the test of balance. said our way or the highway from the white house. >> bob: reform ideas are interesting and should be on the table. the rest is bull. they don't cut anything out of defense. number one. number two, talk about the tax reform that will get to rich. or broaden the base of the tax base. including more people paying taxes. this is a joke on top of joke, andly give you this. entitle reform are good ideas. calling the -- >> dana: i thought bush tax cuts only help the rich. i defended that for eight years. >> eric: get greg in here. bob calls this a joke of a joke. republicans suggest $600 billion in more taxes. >> yeah. >> dana: $800 billion. >> eric: sorry. $800 billion
deficit reduction plan how to get it back on track. they are proposing the plan that is a democrat version of the -- democrat counterpart to simpson. very smart. this offer was serious. the white house even though they put out a statement saying blah, blah, not good enough. call it a republican letter -- >> eric: this is the republican letter does not meet the test of balance. said our way or the highway from the white house. >> bob: reform ideas are interesting and should be on the...
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bub it is not part -- but it's not part of the current deficit issue at all. separate issue. you may call it premium the medicare program and tosses it over to the private health insurance companies. i have worked with the private health insurance companies for a long, long -- >> it's not true. >> sorry, it does happen to be what the premium support is all about. you are supporting the premium for private health insurance companies. call it vouch every or premium support. in either case it terminates the medicare as we know it. that is a problem for seniors. >> we are leaving on many point of disagreement, not agreement. we know you have a lot of work to do on the hill. we thank you for taking time out for us today. we wish you beth to find abcompromise. >> thank you. >> thank you, shannon. >> this is a fox news alert. nine militants and at least five afghans are reportedly dead after a fire fight at an air base in american afghanistan that lasted more than two hours. officials say two suicide bombers detonated explosives outside the base that helicopters fired on them. they
bub it is not part -- but it's not part of the current deficit issue at all. separate issue. you may call it premium the medicare program and tosses it over to the private health insurance companies. i have worked with the private health insurance companies for a long, long -- >> it's not true. >> sorry, it does happen to be what the premium support is all about. you are supporting the premium for private health insurance companies. call it vouch every or premium support. in either...
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it will have no effect on deficit. no effect on rescuing us. and i think republicans ought not play that game. it doesn't help the income. >> to answer your question, the middle class tax cuts are permanent. and the response to charles would be that the obama white house believes it will help the economy. >> they're completely wrong. that is the problem. >> bret: next up, the friday lightning round. [ "odd couple" theme plays ] humans -- even when we cross our t's and dot our i's, we still run into problems. namely, other humans. which is why, at liberty mutual insurance, auto policies come with new car replacement and accident forgiveness if you qualify. see what else mes standard at libertymutual.com. liberty mutual insurance. responsibility. what's your policy? >> bret: every week, viewers vote for your choice online in the lightning round poll. and this week, cabinet reshuffle won with 36% of the vote. back with the panel. okay, bill. susan rice hasn't been dominated for everything but we think she might be nominated for secretary of state.
it will have no effect on deficit. no effect on rescuing us. and i think republicans ought not play that game. it doesn't help the income. >> to answer your question, the middle class tax cuts are permanent. and the response to charles would be that the obama white house believes it will help the economy. >> they're completely wrong. that is the problem. >> bret: next up, the friday lightning round. [ "odd couple" theme plays ] humans -- even when we cross our t's...
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you cannot cut your way to deficit retacks. what does reduce the deficit are somebody, job creation. we have spending cut and medicare saving and we need re-knew. >> john: four weekends until the country goes over the fiscal cliff. bring in panel. charles lane for "washington post" with us. nina easton from quot fortune" magazine and of course, sindcated columnist charles krauthammer. get to the fiscal cliff in a second. but first, the job report this morning, 7.7% unemployment because so many people left the workforce. 146,000 jobs. the question a lot of people are asking is when are we going get back to good honest job creation to grow the economy? what is it going to take? >> political will in a word. what is interesting about the jobs numbers and the economy in general is that it's not so much the fundamentals of the economy. businesses who hire people who create jobs which nancy pelosi is looking for are looking for political will out of washington. they are looking for certainty on the fiscal cliff. certainty that debt re
you cannot cut your way to deficit retacks. what does reduce the deficit are somebody, job creation. we have spending cut and medicare saving and we need re-knew. >> john: four weekends until the country goes over the fiscal cliff. bring in panel. charles lane for "washington post" with us. nina easton from quot fortune" magazine and of course, sindcated columnist charles krauthammer. get to the fiscal cliff in a second. but first, the job report this morning, 7.7%...
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the spending deductions have not reduced our deficit. we still have, the president still has $1 trillion plus deficit if this next fiscal year. he had it for the past four and he has it for the next four if he follows the same course. that is not a road to prosperity or job creation. or economic vitality. >>neil: i want to be clear, congressman. republicans do not appear to be on the same page on this, as republicans, are you saying your view, hiking the rates or adjusting in any way is felt universally by your colleagues? we know a couple of them have bolted from that but you are going to hold in lock step on that position? >>guest: there is a universality in our conference with 240 of us in the house of representatives so there are 240 different opinions but by and large the majority of us firmly believe raising tax rates is counterproductive and doesn't solve the problem. >>neil: always a pleasure, sir, thank you. take the money and run? not quite but quite a run of companies hiking dividends. and disney is the latest and it will prob
the spending deductions have not reduced our deficit. we still have, the president still has $1 trillion plus deficit if this next fiscal year. he had it for the past four and he has it for the next four if he follows the same course. that is not a road to prosperity or job creation. or economic vitality. >>neil: i want to be clear, congressman. republicans do not appear to be on the same page on this, as republicans, are you saying your view, hiking the rates or adjusting in any way is...
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for those of us that realize barack obama owns the economy, the deficit, owns everything, and as things get worse you can blame him for his failed policies. but if they're going to go back, in this case tom hartman is going to blame ronald reagan -- well, there's never any hope of not blaming george bush. listen to this. >> black friday in reality is a symptom of the plight that 30 years of reaganomics brought to america. we've been steadily, the last 30 years, watching the destruction of organized labor, labor unions. we have black friday today because the wealthy elite have strangled their workers for 32 years. ever since ronald reagan's election. >> sean: forget those eight years of clinton and four years of obama, it's reagan's fault. it's reagan's fault that on black friday people are killing themselves at victoria's secret. >> they're going after capitalism. the kids are being taught this stuff in school. it really is incredible. the crisis of capitalism. that's really what they're after. that's a core issue. >> sean: yeah, but there's a common theme, that all the troubles in the
for those of us that realize barack obama owns the economy, the deficit, owns everything, and as things get worse you can blame him for his failed policies. but if they're going to go back, in this case tom hartman is going to blame ronald reagan -- well, there's never any hope of not blaming george bush. listen to this. >> black friday in reality is a symptom of the plight that 30 years of reaganomics brought to america. we've been steadily, the last 30 years, watching the destruction of...
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durbin said social security hasn't added a dime to the deficit. in 2012 it added $160 billion of debt. that is more than a dime. there are 2.5 trillion in the trust fund in social security that will take care of it for 20 more years, 25 more years. that means pieces of paper in the trust fund where the treasury says we will pay you. it doesn't have the money. it spent surpluss in the past. that's a promise from the treasury which is pank ru bankrupt. that is infection but they know it. the republicans are bad guys these are good guys. surprising to me the president wokd get the revenues he wants from de deductions and exclusions. it is on rates not for economic reasons but political. he wants to break the backs of republicans. it this is a continuation of his campaign he thinks he wants it and now he wants to drive the steak through it. it is all about politics nothing about economics. >> democratic congressman chris van holland appeared on special report. there are cuts to the president's budget but republicans haven't paid attention to them. >>
durbin said social security hasn't added a dime to the deficit. in 2012 it added $160 billion of debt. that is more than a dime. there are 2.5 trillion in the trust fund in social security that will take care of it for 20 more years, 25 more years. that means pieces of paper in the trust fund where the treasury says we will pay you. it doesn't have the money. it spent surpluss in the past. that's a promise from the treasury which is pank ru bankrupt. that is infection but they know it. the...
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we cannot cut your way to deficit reduction. what reduces the deficit are jobs. job creation. after spending cuts, and medicare saving, and next is the revenue. >>reporter: leader pelosi spent time at the white house today meeting with president obama on what we are told are a number of issues. >>shepard: thank you, mike, from washington, dc. we know that business collects information from us when we go to our website our mobile apps. usually it is legal. there is a new law that requires companies to notify you if it is taking information from you. to law is about to be put to the test. i got word in the last 30 seconds and a ruling from the supreme court, a decision from the supreme court, actually, on whether it will hear a same-sex marriage case and the constitutionality of that. the answer is "yes" the court has notified us. all energy development comes with some risk, but proven technologies allow natural gas producers to supply affordable, cleaner energy, while protecting our environment. across america, these technologies protect air - by monitoring air quality and redu
we cannot cut your way to deficit reduction. what reduces the deficit are jobs. job creation. after spending cuts, and medicare saving, and next is the revenue. >>reporter: leader pelosi spent time at the white house today meeting with president obama on what we are told are a number of issues. >>shepard: thank you, mike, from washington, dc. we know that business collects information from us when we go to our website our mobile apps. usually it is legal. there is a new law that...
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. >> and that is increasing and guess what, that adds up to the deficit, right? >> david, the problem is deeper than what you are describing. this goes back decades. when you look at entitlement spending over the last half century, it has steadily crept up four percent every year and that includes adjustments for population growth. so what then? you increase taxes four percent every year? that is absurd. at some point we need both parties to come together and tax this entitlement creep. we mention obama ape lot. he hasn't helped the numbers. but when you look at enment spending it goes up under a republican president. he can go in this and blame the republicans. >> i didn't know there was a entitlement creep. maybe i got you wrong. >> it is it an itch. >> and john, what about this. we have a budget if you can call it a budget that includes tax increases and no cuts at all from our treasury security. >> the tax increase aspect is ridickulous. we have a spending problem . you look at entitlements. i think it is i i don't they should exist. we did make promises and
. >> and that is increasing and guess what, that adds up to the deficit, right? >> david, the problem is deeper than what you are describing. this goes back decades. when you look at entitlement spending over the last half century, it has steadily crept up four percent every year and that includes adjustments for population growth. so what then? you increase taxes four percent every year? that is absurd. at some point we need both parties to come together and tax this entitlement...
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that's half of last year's federal deficit. what's 800 billion in savings over a decade? that's irrelevant. absolutely. whatever time he spent negotiating that was a complete waste of time. >> here's my criticism. they seem to be negotiating against themselves. they give a proposal, obama gives a non-proposal, and they respond with another proposal. here's what i don't understand. seems the answer is simple if they're worried about the pr side or the political side. pass the bill. extend all the bush tax cuts and then the president and the senate or the president decides if they want to raise taxes on the middle class or not. put it on them. put the onus on them. >> they will have voted not to do that. obama has made a bet that the republican party is so inept at the politics of this that they will get stuck with it. he can hang the debt alba tros of the biggest tax increase in american history around their next. >> he wants it all. howard dean is the only guy i see that has said this is the best case scenario. they get defense sequestration, they get to raise taxes on ev
that's half of last year's federal deficit. what's 800 billion in savings over a decade? that's irrelevant. absolutely. whatever time he spent negotiating that was a complete waste of time. >> here's my criticism. they seem to be negotiating against themselves. they give a proposal, obama gives a non-proposal, and they respond with another proposal. here's what i don't understand. seems the answer is simple if they're worried about the pr side or the political side. pass the bill. extend...
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it would hardly make a dent in the yearly deficit and not even a chip of a cent off the debt. he said he would rather go over the fiscal cliff than not to raise tax rates. so obama pushing higher taxes on the top 2%, not for economic reasons but for i'd logical reasons but there is also this obvious fact. obama wants to raise the top rates for political reasons. now that is he wants to force republicans to raise tacks in order to trigger a civil war within the gop and the conservative movement, and in that respect sadly obama is having some success. now so long as this debate is focused not on cutting spending but on raising daxs and revenues with the only question being which taxes, how much revenue, then obama wins. now if obama succeeds in making the argument not about his spending, but about grover norquist, he wins there, too. for republicans, on the other hand, if they can figure out a way to refocus the debate on spending, they win and the country wins. we can't kid ourselves that's correct is not easy to do. obama has the biggest microphone in the land and he also has
it would hardly make a dent in the yearly deficit and not even a chip of a cent off the debt. he said he would rather go over the fiscal cliff than not to raise tax rates. so obama pushing higher taxes on the top 2%, not for economic reasons but for i'd logical reasons but there is also this obvious fact. obama wants to raise the top rates for political reasons. now that is he wants to force republicans to raise tacks in order to trigger a civil war within the gop and the conservative movement,...
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they're not about to do anything that helps with the deficit. they want higher taxes to spend even more money to put even more power in washington, d.c. to have an even bigger bureaucracy. >> greta: all right. let me tell you one other thing that i thought was surprising today. secretary of treasury tim geithner proposed limiting purview over the federal borrowing limit, which is another way of saying give the president, any future president, give the president without a limit, without conceive sight. is that how you see that? >> sure. if you were a liberal, you wanted to run up the biggest possible deficit. frankly the congress ought to move in the opposite direction and start hearings of oversight on the federal reserve, which has put far more money into the economy than the treasury has, and which has yielded far more economic power the treasury. the amount of power that ben bernanke has chairman of the federal reserve is totally inappropriate in a free society. again, i would have the house republicans organize virtually every committee and
they're not about to do anything that helps with the deficit. they want higher taxes to spend even more money to put even more power in washington, d.c. to have an even bigger bureaucracy. >> greta: all right. let me tell you one other thing that i thought was surprising today. secretary of treasury tim geithner proposed limiting purview over the federal borrowing limit, which is another way of saying give the president, any future president, give the president without a limit, without...
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we are living with a $16 trillion deficit. so the republicans are going to have to compromise. democrats, white house, they have to come to a mutual agreement where an increase in taxes, a decrease in the amount of benefits that people receive, we need a real major compromise. we hope to god they do that zbleeh. >> heather: will they do it or not do. >> heather: will they do it? >> they no compromise. 50% chance they come to compromise that kicks the football into next year where the new congress will run with it. and possibly, 20% chance that nothing at all happens. we do think they will come up with some kind of temporary solution getting us through december 31. >> heather: we'll see what happens. >> gregg: hottest guessing game in washington. who will fill the critical jobs in the next cabinet. >> and obama administration speaking out plans for israel building new settlements. what it means for the rocky road towards peace. atural gas producs to supply affordable, cleaner energy, while protecting our environment. across america, these technologies protect air - by monitoring
we are living with a $16 trillion deficit. so the republicans are going to have to compromise. democrats, white house, they have to come to a mutual agreement where an increase in taxes, a decrease in the amount of benefits that people receive, we need a real major compromise. we hope to god they do that zbleeh. >> heather: will they do it or not do. >> heather: will they do it? >> they no compromise. 50% chance they come to compromise that kicks the football into next year...
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the american indian tribe and they honored the president by giving him his own indian name running deficit. [ laughter ] >> the nation's debt is no laughing matter. lou dobbs will tell you why we are all in grave danger because of out-of-control government spending. three wise men, what did they do? >> jesse watters quizes the folks about christmas. >> they brought frankincense, miles an mur and. >> baby diapers? >> a wild wild waters world upcoming. >> caution, you are about to enter the no spin zone from california. factor begins right now. hi i'm bill o'reilly reporting from los angeles, thanks for watching us tonight. i'm here to do the leno program this evening. during the long flight across country, i had a chance to analyze something very important to you. all of us needs to wise up and fast. you may have heard the story of new york city police officer who spent $100 of his own money to give bare foot man some boots. that man jeffrey hillman lying in the street when officer deprimo spotted him. >> it was extremely cold that night and you see this gentleman i tried to offer him to bu
the american indian tribe and they honored the president by giving him his own indian name running deficit. [ laughter ] >> the nation's debt is no laughing matter. lou dobbs will tell you why we are all in grave danger because of out-of-control government spending. three wise men, what did they do? >> jesse watters quizes the folks about christmas. >> they brought frankincense, miles an mur and. >> baby diapers? >> a wild wild waters world upcoming. >>...
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they were elected as a check and balance against president obama's reckless deficits and his reckless debt. they were elected to stop the explosive growth of government. the republicans were elected and sent to washington to fight for limited government, balanced budgets, and of course, greater liberty for all the american people. at this moment it seems like they are only offering a democratic light version for america. maybe they need to learn a thing or two from president obama. maybe they need to show a willingness to go over the so-called fiscal cliff. now, if the president really wants to take the country there, maybe they need to let him go there. here's the bottom line. what are we hearing from the white house? we're hearing the president will not negotiate unless taxes are raised on job creators, and we're hearing that the president now wants to seize control of the debt ceiling from congress. well, that means rather than needing the approval of the house was the senate to raise the nation's spending limit, president barack obama wants to do this all by his lonesome, a blank
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even if you accept that larger number, the deficit is $1.5 trillion so, even if the republicans raise the you are giving $90 billion. where are you going to get the rest of it? it will have to come from entitlement reform and meaning spending cuts. >> it's coming from loopholes. i think we can. >> he criticized governor romney's plan based on the premise there is not enough revenue in the loop homes. he has agreed to the flame work, revenues or the table. we will give you $800 billion. that is great starting point. president has insulted republicans who are going out on the limb by wanting to be more pragmatic about this by coming to the congress which even among the most liberal writers in it is not a serious proposal. the reality it has to be some point spending becomes the conversation, not revenue. >> we have given quite a bit up. we have given up $2.5 trillion. >> you gave up 2.5 in budget gimmicks. things that were going to end anyway. >> boehner and cantor do not want to tax the wealthy donors. that is what it comes down to. are we going to balance this budget? it's the engine
even if you accept that larger number, the deficit is $1.5 trillion so, even if the republicans raise the you are giving $90 billion. where are you going to get the rest of it? it will have to come from entitlement reform and meaning spending cuts. >> it's coming from loopholes. i think we can. >> he criticized governor romney's plan based on the premise there is not enough revenue in the loop homes. he has agreed to the flame work, revenues or the table. we will give you $800...
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not the deficit. the debt. i'm trying to get enough money in here so that we can go from 16 to 15 to 14, you see? >> we get rid of a trillion dollars very quickly by taking a half trillion a year. >> bill: what you just said is how you get rid of it. you raise the retirement rate for social security for a couple of years. >> medicare as well. >> bill: not for people who are over 45. under 45 or maybe 48. but the people who bought into the system. >> you are already into the details. and we're losing the parameters here. >> bill: i'm sorry. detail guy. i'm sorry. >> that's terrific. but, until we -- and we have to make one more rule on this. >> bill: what's is that. >> you go to the table. same table. either obama's table or boehner's and you talk straight. >> bill: at the table they're both there and they don't get to go to the bathroom until they get something. >> it's going to be a little faster negotiation than i thought. can we call it with that one addendum the dobbs reilly plan will be. >> bill: will be o
not the deficit. the debt. i'm trying to get enough money in here so that we can go from 16 to 15 to 14, you see? >> we get rid of a trillion dollars very quickly by taking a half trillion a year. >> bill: what you just said is how you get rid of it. you raise the retirement rate for social security for a couple of years. >> medicare as well. >> bill: not for people who are over 45. under 45 or maybe 48. but the people who bought into the system. >> you are already...
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we are in a deficit situation, as people have been discussing the past several weeks so there are potential in congress for the house and senate members. >> eric: billions of dollars. of taxpayers money that goes to the u.n. ambassador bolton, thank you for your insight. >> guest: thank you, eric. >> jamie: a fox news extreme weather alert. flood in effect for the west coast. yet another storm is approaching. folks are preparing for worst. severe weather threatening to bring more rain to an area that is already been drenched. chief meteorologist rick reichmuth live from the fox news extreme weather center. if you know rick is hanging out, it must be serious. how bad? >> really bad. this is the second batch of storms they have had this month. earlier in month, a lot of areas saw ten plus inchs of rain. now we have had another series of storms last week where we have seen ten plus inches of rain. the ground is saturated. this storm is windy. windy conditions across colorado, spreading across the intermountain west. the ground is saturated, if you take that wind and we will see more trees goin
we are in a deficit situation, as people have been discussing the past several weeks so there are potential in congress for the house and senate members. >> eric: billions of dollars. of taxpayers money that goes to the u.n. ambassador bolton, thank you for your insight. >> guest: thank you, eric. >> jamie: a fox news extreme weather alert. flood in effect for the west coast. yet another storm is approaching. folks are preparing for worst. severe weather threatening to bring...
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and i want to do all this while bringing down our deficits in a balanced and responsible way. [applause] now, on this last point you've probably heard a lot of talk in washington and in the media about the deadlines that we're facing on jobs and taxes and investments. this is not some run-of-the-mill debate. this isn't about which political party can come out on top in negotiations. we've got important decisions to make that are going to have a real impact on businesses and families all across the country. our ultimate goal, our long-term goal is to get our long-term deficit under control in a way that is balanced and is fair. that'd be with good for businesses, for our economy, for future generations. and i believe both parties can and will work together in the coming weeks to get that done. we know how that gets done. we're going to have to raise a little more revenue, we've got to cut out spending we don't need building on the trillion dollars of spending cuts we've already made, and if we combine those two things, we can create a path where america's paying its bills while
and i want to do all this while bringing down our deficits in a balanced and responsible way. [applause] now, on this last point you've probably heard a lot of talk in washington and in the media about the deadlines that we're facing on jobs and taxes and investments. this is not some run-of-the-mill debate. this isn't about which political party can come out on top in negotiations. we've got important decisions to make that are going to have a real impact on businesses and families all across...
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we have got the bush tax cuts in 2007 our deficit was $160 billion. that number almost sounds -- $160 billion. it's a spending problem. >> bill: i want you to do me a favor and call diane sawyer after we get off the air i want you to tell her as kristen pointed out in 2007 the highest revenue in the history of the republic came into washington because the taxes were fairly moderate and people were investing and capital gains was kicking in at the 15 and 30% rate and all that money was coming in washington and people were working and all that money was coming to washington. and you can tell diane that, you know, just taxing and spending isn't going to help us. you can do that? will you do that? >> i will. she is my bff i will be calling her after get off the show. dying to hear what you think too. >> bill: always. >> i don't know anybody who thinks that everything is going to be solved just by raising tacks. i keep hearing republicans say. this look, obama recommended or proposed cutting the defense department and he was attacked viciously by republics
we have got the bush tax cuts in 2007 our deficit was $160 billion. that number almost sounds -- $160 billion. it's a spending problem. >> bill: i want you to do me a favor and call diane sawyer after we get off the air i want you to tell her as kristen pointed out in 2007 the highest revenue in the history of the republic came into washington because the taxes were fairly moderate and people were investing and capital gains was kicking in at the 15 and 30% rate and all that money was...
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it cuts $2.2 trillion from the deficit over ten years. that number also includes entitlement reforms raising the age for social security and medicare and so forth as well as $800 billion that they say they would throw into the pot in new tax revenue that would come from tax reform, from cutting tax loopholes and the like. joined now, very pleased to have with us california republican ken mccarthy, the house majority whip. congressman, welcome. good to see you this morning. >> thanks for having me. martha: so you put your number out there, you know, all kinds of response across the board this morning saying that it is, you know, equally laughable, ridiculous. there's no way that the white house is going to counter that offer. what do you think about that? >> well, i think that's sad, because think about what this president said when he campaigned. he said he wanted a balanced approach. he said he wanted 800 billion in revenue and 800 billion in revenue we provide. we also provide that balanced approach where he wanted two and a half cuts t
it cuts $2.2 trillion from the deficit over ten years. that number also includes entitlement reforms raising the age for social security and medicare and so forth as well as $800 billion that they say they would throw into the pot in new tax revenue that would come from tax reform, from cutting tax loopholes and the like. joined now, very pleased to have with us california republican ken mccarthy, the house majority whip. congressman, welcome. good to see you this morning. >> thanks for...
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drivers of the debt and deficit. they need to ring something out of the white house on that side of the equation. >> one thing to understand, when we hear the president say rates have to go up. there is no other way to make this work. this is a purely political statement, it has nothing to do with economics. his own commission, the debt reduction commission he pinted identified $1.1 trillion of what are called the tax expenditures. meaning loopholes and deductions out there. available every year. so over a decade that is $11 trillion of available revenues without raising rates. so all you need to do is get less than one in ten of the dollars. one in ten. you've got a $1 trillion in raised revenues without raising rates. the only reason the president insists on raising rates is because he knows it will destroy the republican unity. it will cause a complete fracture of the republican majority in the house. it will hand him a congress that he can then manipulate for the next two years at least. because the republicans w
drivers of the debt and deficit. they need to ring something out of the white house on that side of the equation. >> one thing to understand, when we hear the president say rates have to go up. there is no other way to make this work. this is a purely political statement, it has nothing to do with economics. his own commission, the debt reduction commission he pinted identified $1.1 trillion of what are called the tax expenditures. meaning loopholes and deductions out there. available...
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jenna: "happening now", house republicans are putting their offer on the table to cut the deficit and avoid the fiscal cliff. it calls for collecting an additional $800 billion in revenue over 10 years without raising tax rates. and that's balanced by the reduction of $800 billion in spending from federal programs. a lot of ins and outs there. we just tried to boil it down for you because in all the republican plan will cut the deficit by $1.6 trillion. so far democrats are uninspired by this. here is what democratic congressman chris van hollen of maryland had to say last night on "special report". >> the big difference, bret, between the way the president proposed to deal with medicare and the republicans, the republican plan, their definition of reform is simply to pass rising health care costs onto the backs of seniors. our view, you can modernize the medicare system to change incentives to move a system not strictly fee-for-service. jenna: congresswoman cathy mcmorris rodgers from washington state, congresswoman, is that what you're trying to do? >> we're about saving these entit
jenna: "happening now", house republicans are putting their offer on the table to cut the deficit and avoid the fiscal cliff. it calls for collecting an additional $800 billion in revenue over 10 years without raising tax rates. and that's balanced by the reduction of $800 billion in spending from federal programs. a lot of ins and outs there. we just tried to boil it down for you because in all the republican plan will cut the deficit by $1.6 trillion. so far democrats are uninspired...
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i think that is not just true for the affect on the deficit, but because the deficit is being monatized at this point in time through quantitative easing it can result in great h greater inflation down the road. he would have thought this is not a time to raise taxes, this is a time to cut government spending. we don't want to have a larger government deficit and this is the course that would lead to the greatest prosperity in the economy. he would not have agreed that if we go over the fiscal cliff that that would have a negative impact on the economy, he would say rather that by bringing the deficit down, by having the prospect of lower inflation in the future, that will be good for interest rates and that would be good for the economy in the coming years. jenna: what would he say to those american citizens, though, that say, listen, over the fiscal cliff, i'm afraid of that, i don't even want to entertain the possibilities of what that would look like. >> i think when it comes to issues such as the extension of unemployment benefits, social security, medicare, freidman would have arg
i think that is not just true for the affect on the deficit, but because the deficit is being monatized at this point in time through quantitative easing it can result in great h greater inflation down the road. he would have thought this is not a time to raise taxes, this is a time to cut government spending. we don't want to have a larger government deficit and this is the course that would lead to the greatest prosperity in the economy. he would not have agreed that if we go over the fiscal...
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. >> the bipartisan bowl deficit plan had savings worth pursuing. >> they identified $1.1 trillion tax expenditures, benefits, deductions, credits and the like that could be cut as part of a grand bargain. i think we ought to look at that flat ten the code simplify it. >> harry reid told reporters yesterday he would like to get credit for what congress has previously cut. >> we have already done more than a billion dollars worth of cuts. >> the top democrat in the house took a similar approach. >> it is important to know that we have already agreed to over a trillion and a half dollars in cuts at both budget control and others in this session of congress. so now we are looking to see if we can do that. >> though asked what she would be willing to slash as part of this deal rank and file house members say they realize more must be done now. >> we get a senfolks making a mn dollars a year maybe they aren't able to access medicare. they have the means to buy their own healthcare. >> i know we can't afford to spend 690 billion on our defense but there are smart ways and dumb ways to cut de
. >> the bipartisan bowl deficit plan had savings worth pursuing. >> they identified $1.1 trillion tax expenditures, benefits, deductions, credits and the like that could be cut as part of a grand bargain. i think we ought to look at that flat ten the code simplify it. >> harry reid told reporters yesterday he would like to get credit for what congress has previously cut. >> we have already done more than a billion dollars worth of cuts. >> the top democrat in the...
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programs like medicare but slowing down the growth in the programs because they are the big drivers of the deficit and raising more out of the revenue, out of the tax system. whether you call iterates or reform over whatever you call it, and each those touches the third rail of the parties, we have to get together and say, basically, we have to do something right for the country. if we had a bipartisan, avoid the fiscal cliff and pay down the debt type of agreement it would be the best thing that could happen. the market would go up and we would be liking like our future was brighter than a lot of americans think it is today. >>neil: are you smoking anything at all? >>guest: drinking a little coffee. >>neil: quickly, senator, i know you have to go the congressional black caucus has come out with a statement saying, really, leave entitlements alone and focus on hiking taxes. that is the gist of the statement. what do you think of that? >>guest: it does not do it. hiring some people -- higher income people pay a disproportional share of the taxes. and they should. but if you bring the rates back to
programs like medicare but slowing down the growth in the programs because they are the big drivers of the deficit and raising more out of the revenue, out of the tax system. whether you call iterates or reform over whatever you call it, and each those touches the third rail of the parties, we have to get together and say, basically, we have to do something right for the country. if we had a bipartisan, avoid the fiscal cliff and pay down the debt type of agreement it would be the best thing...
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we need to get serious about our deficit and debt that are burying our children's future. [ man ] ring ring... progresso this reduced sodium soup says it mahelp lower cholesterol, how does it work? you just he to eat it as part of your heart healthy diet. step 1. eat the soup. all those veggies and beans, that's what may help lower your cholesterol and -- well that's easy [ male announcer ] progresso. you gotta taste this soup. martha: we have brand-new details on the deadly bus crash that happened in florida. police say the bus driver was confused and lost when he chose the wrong route coming out of miami airport. the top of the bus crumpled after the crash and killed two passengers. it had 32 jehovah's church members on board, they were heading to a conference. bill: if you wash watching "fox news sunday" john boehner described his reaction when the president presented its plan for the fiscal cliff. > >> i said you can't be serious. we have 7 weeks went election and the end of the year and three those weeks have been wasted. bill: flabbergasted, rich. wasting time. three weeks gone b
we need to get serious about our deficit and debt that are burying our children's future. [ man ] ring ring... progresso this reduced sodium soup says it mahelp lower cholesterol, how does it work? you just he to eat it as part of your heart healthy diet. step 1. eat the soup. all those veggies and beans, that's what may help lower your cholesterol and -- well that's easy [ male announcer ] progresso. you gotta taste this soup. martha: we have brand-new details on the deadly bus crash that...
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current climate that we're in of overspending and simply not having enough revenue and increasing our deficit is just not a tenable plan for the future, especially as regards to our future employment prospective. but i think with younger voters and with all voters, nationwide and polls showed the core conservative issues of cutting spending and limited government still reigned, which is promising for our future. it was that cares about me question that got us. more than 80% of respondents felt the republican party was something -- a party that did not care about them. so i think going into the future and especially speaking to those communities and demographics that were not supportive of the republican party this time around, it will be important for us as college republicans to make sure we got that message out to those communities in a way that shows that the republican party cares about the future of the entire country by making us a more sustainable place to live. >> rick: meghan, how do you do that? how does the republican party reach out and say, we care about you to the immigrant comm
current climate that we're in of overspending and simply not having enough revenue and increasing our deficit is just not a tenable plan for the future, especially as regards to our future employment prospective. but i think with younger voters and with all voters, nationwide and polls showed the core conservative issues of cutting spending and limited government still reigned, which is promising for our future. it was that cares about me question that got us. more than 80% of respondents felt...
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. >> deficit reduction is not the goal here. the reason to get our fiscal house in order and the reason to pass a deficit reduction package that is balanced and allows for economic growth is to put our economy on a sustainable fiscal path which again, in itself produces positive economic benefits and revenues are part of it this. the president put forth and entitlement reforms and savings gleaned from our health care entitlement programs need to be a part of it. the president has been specific about that. >> brian: he's talking about generalitiys about unnamed cuts. jay carny goes on to admit if the president's proposal went to the democratically controlled senate it would not last. 92 where is the leadership. >> brian: running 1.1 trillion. they are unable to pass a budget for the last three years and you probably think that the fiscal cliff would not address these things. >> gretchen: don't you recall that the president said he had no interest in speaking to republicans until they agree to the tax increase on the top two perce
. >> deficit reduction is not the goal here. the reason to get our fiscal house in order and the reason to pass a deficit reduction package that is balanced and allows for economic growth is to put our economy on a sustainable fiscal path which again, in itself produces positive economic benefits and revenues are part of it this. the president put forth and entitlement reforms and savings gleaned from our health care entitlement programs need to be a part of it. the president has been...
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. >> we are not going to simply cut our way to prosperity or cut our way out of this deficit problem. we are going to need more revenues. in order to do that that start with higher rates for the folk at the top. the reasonien, the reason i say that is not to punish success or go after folk just because they are wealthy. it's a simple proposition that you can't raise enough revenue and if you don't raise enough revenue through closing loopholes abductions, it's going to be middle class families that make up the difference. bill: john boehner will speak later this hour. we'll see how he responds to that comment. if washington can't get a deep, automatic tax increases and massive spending cuts do take effect. martha: west virginia senator joe manchin, a democrat discussing the fiscal cliff, social security within medicare. he believes they must be run more efficiently. >> last year the office of budget management says $115 billion was misspent. that's a tremendous savings right there. they are both much lower than everyone says we need. all economists say we need a minimum of $4 trillion
. >> we are not going to simply cut our way to prosperity or cut our way out of this deficit problem. we are going to need more revenues. in order to do that that start with higher rates for the folk at the top. the reasonien, the reason i say that is not to punish success or go after folk just because they are wealthy. it's a simple proposition that you can't raise enough revenue and if you don't raise enough revenue through closing loopholes abductions, it's going to be middle class...
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when you look at the debt and deficits he run up. he run up more debt than all of the other presidents combined and maybe the republicans should let the president go ahead and sail off of the cliff and do it for the next generation. keep in mind, somebody may have to pay the bill it may be our children and our children's children. do we want to leave the country in better shape. >> gretchen: they will not have enough pennies in the piggy bank. moments ago kate middleton and prince william left the hospital. she was admitted on monday after suffering from acute morning sickness. kate was treated by the queens doctors. she is headed to kensington palace where she will rest for a extended time. the rogue nation of syria has begun mixing chemical weapons and loading them in to bombs. it is raising fears that president assad will use them on his own people. >> if he would drop the gas, it would kill 100,000 people immediately and in damascus a million people could be affected. it is very serious. >> gretchen: fox news learns that the mili
when you look at the debt and deficits he run up. he run up more debt than all of the other presidents combined and maybe the republicans should let the president go ahead and sail off of the cliff and do it for the next generation. keep in mind, somebody may have to pay the bill it may be our children and our children's children. do we want to leave the country in better shape. >> gretchen: they will not have enough pennies in the piggy bank. moments ago kate middleton and prince william...
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deficit reduction and making sure that middle class taxes don't go up. folks agreed to that. now, the good news is we are starting to see a few republics coming around to it too. >> now, house democratic leader nancy pelosi put an even finer point on it today saying flatly, elections have consequences suggesting democrats are not going to give in on their push for higher taxes on the rich. shep. >> shepard: by any measure, ed, the president came in strong, even folks on the left are saying it and john boehner seems very unhappy. >> he is unhappy because he doesn't want to give in on the part about tax hikes for the rich. but also he believes this proposal from treasury secretary tim geithner yesterday really didn't get us anywhere in terms of moving the ball forward. because not just on the tax side but he is basically saying there is no clear cut spending cuts in the eyes of republics so that there is that so-called balanced approach. not just taxes but spending cuts as well. he thinks we are going nowhere fast. here is boehner. >> i took a great risk. and then the white hou
deficit reduction and making sure that middle class taxes don't go up. folks agreed to that. now, the good news is we are starting to see a few republics coming around to it too. >> now, house democratic leader nancy pelosi put an even finer point on it today saying flatly, elections have consequences suggesting democrats are not going to give in on their push for higher taxes on the rich. shep. >> shepard: by any measure, ed, the president came in strong, even folks on the left are...
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all of this deficit reduction stuff, there isn't any. there aren't any spending cuts. >> greta: while democrats and republicans fight it out, the nation is waiting and waiting and waiting and suffering as they wait. former new york city mayor rudy guiliani joins us. good evening, mayor. >> how will this unravel? >> if you take them at their word, it sounds like the president is anxious to go over the fiscal cliff, and he leaves very little room for republicans to negotiate with him with a 1.7 trillion dollar tax increase, 50 billion more in stimulus spending, and absolutely no expenditure reductions that are going to take place right now. i mean, from the point of view of republicans, you're going to get more spending decreases if you go over the fiscal cliff than if you deal with president obama. >> greta: well, it appears to many in the city that it's politico check mate for the president. if we go over the fiscal cliff, what it means is the taxes will go up on the wealthy, the big earners. it also goes up on the middle class. i assume
all of this deficit reduction stuff, there isn't any. there aren't any spending cuts. >> greta: while democrats and republicans fight it out, the nation is waiting and waiting and waiting and suffering as they wait. former new york city mayor rudy guiliani joins us. good evening, mayor. >> how will this unravel? >> if you take them at their word, it sounds like the president is anxious to go over the fiscal cliff, and he leaves very little room for republicans to negotiate...
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when that happens it makes debt and deficits a lot smaller by comparison because you get more government revenue. you're right, it is absolutely a core principle of republicans we don't want taxes to go up to get more government. if we have tax reform effort that will lower the tax base, get more revenue and fuel economic growth that is something republicans will embrace. there could be revenue generated by closure of loopholes and deductions. we can't accomplish anything by raising tax that is good good for the economy and we're very concerned about the economy. martha: it will be interesting to see what timothy geithner brings to these discussions today. we'll be reporting on it and you will be there on the hill. thank you very much. >> we'll look forward to it. thanks, martha. martha: all right. bill: there is a controversial vote set to take place today at the united nations and the u.s. is expected to vote against it. eric shawn's live at the u.n. eric, good morning to you, what is the vote about first of all and what's expected to happen? >> reporter: good morning, bill. the vote o
when that happens it makes debt and deficits a lot smaller by comparison because you get more government revenue. you're right, it is absolutely a core principle of republicans we don't want taxes to go up to get more government. if we have tax reform effort that will lower the tax base, get more revenue and fuel economic growth that is something republicans will embrace. there could be revenue generated by closure of loopholes and deductions. we can't accomplish anything by raising tax that is...
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president proposing for tackling the real economic challenge we have here, the real driver of budget deficits, the real threat to american economics, superiority in this world, out of control-- the president of the united states, the president for four yea years, no credible plan for tackling that spending. >> dave: there's been nothing put on paper when it comes to entitlements from the president one thing he's been afraid to do. now he's been reelected don't be afraid to face the voters. tack tackle entitlement and changes to survive. >> alisyn: isn't that the beauty of the second term. incumbency you're no longer bo ho holden to anyone. >> and that 1.6 trillion dollar. before 800 billion and now it's 1.6 trillion. maybe that's the second term speaking. >> alisyn: let's talk about what's going on with the christmas tree. as you know, it's christmas season and that means that there will be incidents where the p.c. police are out in force, checking and calling your tree, a holiday tree or a christmas tree and this has. this is brewing in massachusetts because the mayor of a small town, well,
president proposing for tackling the real economic challenge we have here, the real driver of budget deficits, the real threat to american economics, superiority in this world, out of control-- the president of the united states, the president for four yea years, no credible plan for tackling that spending. >> dave: there's been nothing put on paper when it comes to entitlements from the president one thing he's been afraid to do. now he's been reelected don't be afraid to face the...
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how will you stop us from going over the fiscal cliff and will it involve significant deficit reduction. the president said i thought twitter was supposed to be fun. where are all of the crazy video. twitter boring. >> gretchen: it is an interesting concept instead of spending time twittering why not go and lead the discussion between the parties. >> steve: or the president went golfing three or four times . it would be great if he went golfing with john boehner. >> gretchen: as hong as they don't ask. here are the headlines. a scare for franky muniz who rose to fame for malkare olm in the middle. >> it is the video . desense -- desensitized to violence. how many have you had. >> gretchen: the 26 year old recovering after suffering from a min i stroke. they are awaiting results. they noticed that nuniz had trouble understanding word and speaking. >> brian: he has to take better care of himself. >> steve: meanwhile, a mother could face crimminal charges if she doesn't bring her daughter back to the hospital. cops are searching for 11 year old emily who suffers from leukemia. her mom remo
how will you stop us from going over the fiscal cliff and will it involve significant deficit reduction. the president said i thought twitter was supposed to be fun. where are all of the crazy video. twitter boring. >> gretchen: it is an interesting concept instead of spending time twittering why not go and lead the discussion between the parties. >> steve: or the president went golfing three or four times . it would be great if he went golfing with john boehner. >> gretchen:...
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to me, the ominous sign here is he acting so wreckless about the debt and deficit. you see this rush of companies to pay off dividends this year so they don't have to be taxed at higher rate next year. i mean, it's affecting the market. it's affecting the economy already. so why isn't the president more serious about doing something about the big problems, about working with the republican congress? democratnot win the house of representatives. perhaps he hasn't heard. but he doesn't have all the power. so you sit down, you work this out for the good of the country. not fort good of your ideology. >> brian: he didn't learn a thing from the first four years. i look forward to talk to you more about this on radio. 13 minutes before the top of the hour. why is ford thriving while other auto makers are struggling? the ceo is here to share his secret and the brand-new ride. >> steve: i'm in a brand-new car. it looks like a space ship. this guy, the head guy at ford. he's got a better idea. he's gog actually give all of us brand-new cars. thank you. >> clearly. >> steve:
to me, the ominous sign here is he acting so wreckless about the debt and deficit. you see this rush of companies to pay off dividends this year so they don't have to be taxed at higher rate next year. i mean, it's affecting the market. it's affecting the economy already. so why isn't the president more serious about doing something about the big problems, about working with the republican congress? democratnot win the house of representatives. perhaps he hasn't heard. but he doesn't have all...
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jenna: we heard a lot of different strategies, haven't we, doug, the ways to tackle the debt and deficit. is there any alternative that really exists besides cutting government waste and spending? >> reporter: one potential avenue they could take would be to actually fall off the fiscal cliff. that would necessarily make the difficult choices that congress and white house seem unwilling to make. tom schatz says that congress has a very typical way they approach these kinds of spending cuts. here he is again. >> with overlap and duplication is the proclivity in washington to create a program to solve a problem. something's wrong. we're not doing it right. we're falling behind in science and math. let's create five new programs. that has been the approach. >> reporter: as we speak treasury secretary tim geithner is meeting behind closed doors with the white house point man on congressional affairs with senate majority leader harry reid. perhaps we'll learn more about what kind of spending cuts the democrats are proposing after that meeting is done. jenna, back to you. jenna: we'll talk a l
jenna: we heard a lot of different strategies, haven't we, doug, the ways to tackle the debt and deficit. is there any alternative that really exists besides cutting government waste and spending? >> reporter: one potential avenue they could take would be to actually fall off the fiscal cliff. that would necessarily make the difficult choices that congress and white house seem unwilling to make. tom schatz says that congress has a very typical way they approach these kinds of spending...